What makes a master? If you've tried to submit, what made you stop? What made you want more?

What made me want more? Because he held back, didn't give me everything that I wanted.

I always learn something useful from you!

really, you give good relationship advice! very helpful to me.

Did he take what he wanted? Holding back from you is exactly right.

Yes he did. The worst Tops/Doms/Masters, etc. are the ones that leave me wanting for not having anything that I wanted while we were together. The best, gave me stuff and made me want a lot more. I've been soaking wet on the way home thinking about what we would do next time and how he'd do it.

every one is different. I am phyisy dominating and heavy handed. the rare times I do submit is to take a beating. But I have met few who can really dish out the pain. I am not the type of Top who controlls a persons every move.

Physical is only a part for me I feel true submission is mental. Do you have to strength to be a footstool? But I prefer a crop to a paddle, because I feel it gives me a chance to praise and pleasure, in addition to proving my physical. At x feet x, most woman don't question that. I am not a slouch. It seems more woman can give themselves phycially than mentally. It's a higher high for me.

Do you do the xxx thing then? I my experances I find those that give them selfs over mentally prefer the xxx relationship. I have done the mental thing and it does not interest me, even in the short term. I am happier to have controll over the fleash of my subject and play with their head on what I am going to do next. the footstool thing is "meh" for me. as for tools it really depends on "who" I am at the time. I will range from only what I was born with to that nice chain piece seen in my profile.

I like being alone too much It might be a couple of days in a row, but seperation is good. The ever changing moods of a dominant. A cat play with it's toys for pleasure and can then choose to do something else. The toy is always a toy, however. The reality of the footstool thing, I agree. For me the mental represents a transition and a hold that can go on for years.

What usually halts full submission for me is incompatibility. A Master is very individual, each Master is a key and a submissive is the lock. Not every key will unlock every lock, doesn't mean the key isn't a key or the lock a lock, you know? You just have to find the right match! :) I have found my key, and he is very similar to what I expected my key would be in many ways....but, surprisingly very different in others.

I like that I fancy my self the thief that can pick any lock. The more elaborate, the more desirable. The more sophisticated the more rewarding.

Can't open someone who doesn't want to open up

Ya you can...it's ed manipulation... it happens, and it isn't the right way to go about things.

to me that IS the submission

What is? Manipulation?

I would disagree with that. It's a form of submission, but it isn't everyone's form. It isn't mine, for example. Submission is merited, or inspired, even; not imposed. I'm not submissive "in general." It comes out with some people only, and depends on the dynamic between us. Not every dominant man makes me feel submissive; only some. And yes, I can tell pretty much instantly. I can just... smell it.

That's why it's hard to define a submissive. I would never want to manipulate someone, then there is no submission. True dominance is honest and direct. Clearly defined. I posted originally on that point. A subject who doesn't x% understand and accept, has not submitted. Can women still do that? Can you have a career, be a mom, blah blah blah and give yourself wholly to your master?